Posts by Stephen John Gault

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Strange things about Jesus

by Stephen John Gault in

1. has it occured to you that nowhere in the old testament is the holy spirit mentioned.

it did not exist.

do you not find it strange that when joseph was told it was the holy spirit that made mary pregnant, he did not ask "who the f--- is the holy spirit?

Strange things about Jesus

by Stephen John Gault in

1. has it occured to you that nowhere in the old testament is the holy spirit mentioned.

it did not exist.

do you not find it strange that when joseph was told it was the holy spirit that made mary pregnant, he did not ask "who the f--- is the holy spirit?

In the OT, it is called everything but THE Holy Spirit, then in the NT it takes on individual identity, makes choices, has intellect, gains equal stature and power, gains a sex "he/his" - 1 Cor 2:11, Matt 28:19, and will 1 Cor 12:11, John 14:26, John 16:13.

Back on Topic - Jesus.

He was supposedly with doG (borrowed from Talesin) - in creation. John 1:1. Now when I write a program for robotics, fuzzy logic and artificial intelligence included, but I build in a subroutine that causes the robot, under a particular condition, to go haywire, should I blame the robot? "Bad robot, apologize! Ask forgiveness! Beg for mercy else I make you suffer and eventually wipe you out"?

Evidence: Gen 1:18. This is the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. If doG had not already created evil and a concept of evil in man's mind, he may as well have called it the tree of rampersadharibalspoonolalveemakergee and man would have had to ask what on earth (get it?) he was talking about. But man obviously knew, because doG had already programmed the processor.

So now man, who was created by these doGs (Gen 1:26) is condemned, women to MORE pain in childbirth (wait a minute - I thought paradise was painless. Now I hear, pain was just relative, and besides, why must the animals suffer the same lot?), and the snake will sail on its belly (how else did it perambulate?) and eat dust (never saw one eating dust, have you?).

So everyone thereafter in conceived and born in sin. I wake up, having to play craps on doG's craps table, but the dice are loaded against me and every time I roll the dice, I end up short. Then I owe doG. If I say no, hey, how about I not play your game anymore, I would just like to check out, doG says "oh no you don't!Then I will never allow you to play anywhere else!"

So I keep rolling the loaded dice and I keep losing (and in the meantime I have to praise this loaded dice toting doG, because he is very insecure). So he calls over his pitboss, Michael and says: "Somebody had beter pay me over here. This poor crapperr doesn't have what it takes, and damnit, somebody had better pay me!"

So the two conspire to make it appear as though it was a legitimate game and legitimate debt. But its in not cash this doG wants - he is bloodthirsty, it is BLOOD, it is death he wants, from whomever will pay it. "You Michael, get your butt down there! We will pretend you are just like them. Never mind the unblemished lamb prophesies and magic tricks - (I need some wine) pretend you are one of them. Then we put on a good charade, have guys who have no choice kill you, cause somebody has to do it, cause I said so, but we will just get you right back up here to your cushy job and from here, watch those craps players scramble. Now they will owe you too, because you paid their debt, created by your and my craps table and my loaded dice"

"In thought you said I was going to die" Michael said.
"Don't be silly, you'll snooze for a few days, just like on Valium, and be back here before you know it" doG replied.
"Oh I see, and it will involve pain right, so that those crappers will really feel sorry for me. Never mind that in every hospital in every community on earth there are crappers with equal or greater pain, we will not let them think about that, will we?" "NOoooooooo!" was the reply.

So now Jesus dies for me and now I owe him. But I never hired him. I paid policemen's salaries and they have died to protect me. (They really died - they could not fake it). Do I now owe them devotion, owe them my life?

End Chapter 1.

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Strange things about Jesus

by Stephen John Gault in

1. has it occured to you that nowhere in the old testament is the holy spirit mentioned.

it did not exist.

do you not find it strange that when joseph was told it was the holy spirit that made mary pregnant, he did not ask "who the f--- is the holy spirit?

Stephen John Gault

A paduan. How do you know what Jesus meant - hotline from the GB to Archangel Michael?

Since you appear knowledeable, why does the NWT translate Gen 1:2 "God's active force" when it tranlates it elsewhere as "spirit of God" etc? Sincere question. I am curious and do not have access to JW publications.

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Strange things about Jesus

by Stephen John Gault in

1. has it occured to you that nowhere in the old testament is the holy spirit mentioned.

it did not exist.

do you not find it strange that when joseph was told it was the holy spirit that made mary pregnant, he did not ask "who the f--- is the holy spirit?

Stephen John Gault

Nark - thank you. I love to be corrected - that way I hone my knowledge base. Please point me to where I find that bit on Herod? I did the Google bit. My source says Herod died 4 B.C.

Correct - I misstated inadvertently. Jesus never mentioned Adam and Eve.

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Prove to me that God exists

by CinemaBlend in

i need debate practice on the subject for the next time i'm cornered.

Stephen John Gault

What utter nonsense - If you can't prove god exists, you have to allow for the possibility/probability. The burden of proof resides with the person aserting the affirmative. You cannot prove a negative. You say he is, the you prove he is. Ever heard of the 1,000 angels dancing on a pinhead? Must have been yours!

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Strange things about Jesus

by Stephen John Gault in

1. has it occured to you that nowhere in the old testament is the holy spirit mentioned.

it did not exist.

do you not find it strange that when joseph was told it was the holy spirit that made mary pregnant, he did not ask "who the f--- is the holy spirit?

Stephen John Gault

How about Jesus' lack of knowledge of the 10 commandments - Mark 10:19, "do not defraud" is not in here.

How come Jesus never mentioned Adam and Eve, or creation?

Joseph never impregnated Mary to conceive Jesus, and therefore Jesus could not have been from teh bloodline of David. No sperm, no DNA, no bloodline.

King Herod? The Romans did not have kings!

Which idiot will have supposedly 2 million people wander around a dessert for 40 years for reward of the promised land, that little piece of shit earth? Wandering to Hawaii one can understand, but Israel/Palestine. What a dump!

Jesus says: "do not swear at all, neither by heaven..." contradicting Deut 6:13 and Isa 45:23.

Jesus says pray in private Matt 6:6 and Apostle Paul contradicts 1 Tim 2:8.

Matt 8:32 Jesus killed an owner's herd of swine (from where as swine were prohibited in Judea and Galilea?) Wanton destruction of someone else's property. Did he pay recompense? Then he was a thief, a robber and a vandalist. Matt 8:28 talks about 2 demon possessed men and Luk 8:27 says it was only one.

Matt 10:28. Jesus talks about the soul surviving death?

Matt 10:23 - these poor sods have been fleeing for milliniums already!

Matt 12:40 - three days? Friday afternoon to Sunday morning = 3 days? Mark 8:31. Contradicted by Matt 16:21. ON the third day vs. after three days. Matt 27:63.

Matt 17:1 - 6 days later, Luk 9:28 - 8 days later.

Matt 27:3 vs. Acts 1:18 did he give the money back or didn't he?

Matt 27:5 vs. Acts 1:18, did he hang himself or suffer spontaneous combustion?

Matt 27:28 vs. John 19:2 - which color was it?

If anyone is interested, I will do hundreds more.

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Strange things about Jesus

by Stephen John Gault in

1. has it occured to you that nowhere in the old testament is the holy spirit mentioned.

it did not exist.

do you not find it strange that when joseph was told it was the holy spirit that made mary pregnant, he did not ask "who the f--- is the holy spirit?

Stephen John Gault

How about Jesus' god?

A god that blesses wanton murder of women and children (Num 31:17)
offers little girl virgins as spoils of war (Num 31:18),
demands virgin sacrifices, (Num. 31:35 and 40),
that women are possessions (Deut. 24:1)
revengeful, (Rom 12:18)
wrathful, (Na 1:2)
screws up and then regrets it, (Gen. 6:6, Ex 32:13, Num. 23:19)
angry and jealous, (Deut. 6:15, Ex. 34:14)
exacting (Ex. 20,5, Deut 5:8 and 6:15),
fickle (Ex 20:5, Deut 24:16)
speaks of doing evil to people (Ex. 32:14),
encourages gambling (Jos. 14:2)
instructing people to lie (Ex. 3:18, 8:27),
alters the mental state of an otherwise accommodating ruler and then destroys him for it (Ex. 7:3, 7:14, 10:1, 27) to name a few.

Sounds exactly like "in the image of man, man created god", a dispicable one at that.

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Strange things about Jesus

by Stephen John Gault in

1. has it occured to you that nowhere in the old testament is the holy spirit mentioned.

it did not exist.

do you not find it strange that when joseph was told it was the holy spirit that made mary pregnant, he did not ask "who the f--- is the holy spirit?

Stephen John Gault

" There is a very straightforward explantation of this: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/82425/1.ashx. The author of Matthew was influenced by the story of Moses in Exodus and in haggadaic tradition and thus the story of Herod killing babies is based on the story of Pharaoh killing babies, and the story of the escape to Egypt to hide from Herod is based on the story of the escape to Midian to hide from Pharaoh (see, for instance, how the divine call to return to the land of Israel in Matthew 2:19-20 is a verbatim copying of the divine call for Moses to return to Egypt from Midian in Exodus 4:19). Even the story of Joseph divorcing Mary and the angel's appearance to Joseph has a basis in the Moses traditions. Luke, on the other hand, was not influenced by the Moses traditions, and thus has nothing of the divorce, the killing of babies, the flight to Egypt, etc. The author of Luke was instead influenced by the nativity traditions of the prophet Samuel in 1 Samuel 1-2, and thus has constructed quite a different story."

Are you even listening to yourself? So this "inspired by God" writer, fabricates a fictitious event, based a real or imagenery historical event, poses it as fact, and you justify his lie! But you are right in one aspect - all of those writers were all influenced by the myths of the time. Each civilization had their own account of the gods copulating with humans, producing progeny, who die a totured death. The story of Jesus was just the Jews imitating the Greeks and the Egyptions, citing imaginary events as fact, as did this Matthew of yours.

5. Did it ever ocur to you that Mathews verbose rendition of Jesus' death paints saints getting ressurected and going into the city, where did they get clothes, how long had they been dead, did they return to their old wives and girlfriends, what happened to the people who were now married to these women and occupied their houses?

"This was discussed here: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/63386/974023/post.ashx#974023. This episode in Matthew is a very unique Matthean addition to the Markan narrative, although JD Crossan suspects that the "cross that spoke" in the Gospel of Peter represents a communal resurrection similar to that described here. The real problem of this story is that it flatly contradicts Pauline theology (remember that Matthew arose in a non-Pauline Christian community which may have even seen itself in opposition to Paul), and it was awkwardly edited after the fact to make it harmonize with Paul, but the gloss actually fails to resolve the difficulty and even introduces a new bizarre aspect to the story (e.g. that the resurrected dead had to wait in their tombs until Jesus was raised on the third day)."

Thanks for your honesty here. Once again, this inspired writer fabricates. He is an impeached witness. If he will lie and fabricate anything, his entire testimony has to be discounted. He is a liar!

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Strange things about Jesus

by Stephen John Gault in

1. has it occured to you that nowhere in the old testament is the holy spirit mentioned.

it did not exist.

do you not find it strange that when joseph was told it was the holy spirit that made mary pregnant, he did not ask "who the f--- is the holy spirit?

Stephen John Gault

THE holy spirit is not mentioned in the Old Testament

Ps 51:11 "your holy spirit"
Isa 63:10 "his holy spirit"

Then in NT:

Matt 28:19 "THE holy spirit" (As a distint and seperated, non-belonging entity such as in - "my house" - "your house" - "THE house", neither yours nor mine)

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Strange things about Jesus

by Stephen John Gault in

1. has it occured to you that nowhere in the old testament is the holy spirit mentioned.

it did not exist.

do you not find it strange that when joseph was told it was the holy spirit that made mary pregnant, he did not ask "who the f--- is the holy spirit?

Stephen John Gault

Auntie Jane - is the spirit of god the Holy Spirit? Then why was it not named such? Gods (a lot of them mentioned in Gen.1:26) get mentioned with all kinds of denimonators - Adonai, Elohim etc.etc. but the Holy Spirit is never named. If the spirit of god is supposed to be the Holy Spirit, why was Joseph not told: "The spirit of God screwed your girlfriend, don't panic" instead of (specific name) the "Hoy Spirit" did it?